Swift generics: Non-nominal type does not support explicit initialization

Question

So I'm trying to understand generic protocols and classes:

protocol ListPresenterType where View.PDO.SW == Dispatcher.SW {
    associatedtype Dispatcher: ListDispatcherType
    associatedtype View: ListViewType

    init(dispatcher: Dispatcher, state: @escaping (_ state: AppState)->(ListState<Dispatcher.SW>))

    func attachView(_ view: View)
    ...
}

And I'm initiating it from another generic class:

class AbstractListViewController<Presenter: ListPresenterType, PDO: ListPDOCommonType, ...>: ListViewType, ... where PDO.SW == Presenter.Dispatcher.SW, ... {
    func configure(withBla: bla) {
        ...
        presenter = Presenter(dispatcher: dispatcher, state: state)
    }

    func someFunc() {
        presenter.attachView(self) // ERROR: Cannot invoke 'attachView' with an argument list of type ...
}

As I understand, I'm trying to initialize a type conforming to a generic protocol, which works just fine, but the type of View must be inconsistent with what I'm trying to feed it in attachView(:).

Then I try to initialize it with concrete view, changing init:

init(dispatcher: Dispatcher, view: View, state: @escaping (_ state: AppState)->(ListState<Dispatcher.SW>)) { 
    self.view = view 
    ... 
}

And in AbstractListViewController:

presenter = Presenter(dispatcher: dispatcher, view: self, state: state)

And getting this infamous error:

Non-nominal type 'Presenter' does not support explicit initialization

Here're gists with relevant playgrounds:

1. Successful init (though cannot invoke attachView(:)) https://gist.github.com/nikans/0fde838846ffa9ff2da48c923f850625
2. Init failing with aforementioned error: https://gist.github.com/nikans/53c3ea146ceb12dc8461f7ba8a81793d

Please notice that every empty protocol there is in fact a generic protocol, I've just removed the unnecessary details.

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I'd like to understand:

1. What makes a "nominal" type "non-nominal" all of a sudden (nothing to be surprised of, it's a generic parameter conforming to a generic protocol, but I don't understand the causation).
2. I heard something about type erasure, but didn't quite get if it is applicable here.

Thanks.

Answer 1

So it appears that in Xcode9 (beta 6) errors like Non-nominal type '%type' does not support explicit initialization simply equals the mismatching types error in less buggy Xcode (if that's a thing): cannot invoke initializer for type '%type' with an argument list of type '...' expected an argument list of type '...'